Jeep Ax5 Transmission Will Not Engage in Any Gear UPDATED

Jeep Ax5 Transmission Will Not Engage in Any Gear

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ShaneMK

  • #ane

I have a 1998 2.5l with the ax-v manual tranny. Brusk VERSION AT THE BOTTOM

So on the 11th of June after not driving my TJ for a week or ii and non noticing whatever issues when I parked information technology final, I went to kickoff it and drive off after oil started flowing. It went into 1st just fine no resistance or annihilation but I noticed it felt "off" when I was letting off the clutch in 1st, only I collection it regardless summing information technology up to not driving her for a piddling. About one-half way downwards my xv min drive it started making strange and honestly crazy ass noises. So probably not for the all-time but I doubt it did anything problematic. I drove it the balance of the way to where I was going and then four hours afterwards I went abode (another 15 min drive) and I parked it and started to pull information technology apart that night. By the adjacent morn I had it pulled apart and started ordering parts. I put on and stock-still stuff until all the parts came in and I could put it all back together. I replaced the clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, pilot begetting, clutch fork pivot, clutch fork spring, and I flushed the clutch fluid using this procedure (a few divide mechanics I know and myself had all concluded it to be the TOB before I tore annihilation apart but I replaced and so much due to "while I'm in in that location"syndrome)

Once I get everything out dorsum together I row through the gears while she's not running and everything slides in very nicely and everything feels great. I beginning it up and in that location'south a new dissonance simply I'm 90% sure it's a belt pulley because that's where the sound appears to exist coming from. I even put my ear onto the bell housing to hear if that'southward where the sound was coming from and it wasn't. I sum the noise up to just being a pulley going out or cleaning rust off since I washed the engine bay after replacing the valve cover gasket due to that failing likewise. I didn't run the engine after washing due to it being disassembled so the noise is most likely a belt pulley. I go to shift into 1st and it's difficult to shift into, not grinding but just hard, 2nd the aforementioned, tertiary fairly piece of cake, fourth easy, now at offset I couldn't shift into 5th or reverse at all. After taking off the slave cylinder and checking to make certain information technology's seated in the clutch fork well and checking the fluid level, I was able to shift into fifth only still no reverse. It also caused all the other gears to shift much easier and but all slid together except reverse. When I go to shift into opposite I hear a slight grinding some of the time and sometimes it just kinda feels similar at that place's a wall there. I've tried plying with the clutch while shifting into contrary, I feel like some time information technology started to mate up but only didn't go in (could be as well much hope making me hear something). I also have tried to shift speedily between 1st and so contrary and the same for 5th. Basically anything that I could find on the forms about difficult reverse shifting or hard shifting in full general I tried. I run thicker than recommended gear lube due to the heat in the summertime here, but even in the winter I've never had a problem shifting before.

SHORT VERSON
I replaced the clutch, pressure plate, throwout begetting, pilot begetting, clutch fork pivot, clutch fork spring, and I flushed the clutch fluid. (TOB went bad on me one 24-hour interval) when not running I tin can shift in between every gear with the clutch engaged and not engaged (always been normal for me). When I showtime it I don't hear any strange noises from the manual area. I go to shift into 1st and it feels hard, 2nd the same, 3rd easier, 4th easy, 5th nope, opposite nope. I take off the slave cylinder and check the fluid level also. I make sure it's seated in the clutch fork and bolt information technology back on. I outset the jeep all gears are easy but still no reverse. Slight grinding audio sometimes, other times it feels like a walls there.

I'm sorry for how long the long version was simply I just wanted to go into as much detail as possible while it's withal fresh in my head.

I'm thinking information technology might be the slave cylinder or something with the hydraulic organization.
I'thou 80% sure I installed the clutch facing the correct side. (Very hot out, trying to hurry up it slipped my heed to double cheque) only from my understanding that would cause me to non undo the clutch AT ALL which I'm doing when I shift into any of my other gears. So I think that's just me worrying besides much.

What do y'all think?? Hydraulic organisation or something I did wrong or could it exist something in the transmission internally??

CharlesHS

  • #two

When you lot depress the clutch pedal; has in that location been a change in the pedal position where the clutch engages or disengages ?
Y'all said that you flushed the hydraulic fluid in the clutch primary cylinder; did you see whatsoever debris and what color was the fluid ?
Do yous hear whatever noises from the hydraulic master cylinder?
Audit the hydraulic master cylinder where the actuator stem comes out to meet if there is any signs of seepage.
Several months ago I had a problem with the clutch master cylinder; there was ever so slight seepage at the stem seal. When I would depress the clutch pedal there was a scuffing sound and I needed to double clutch when shifting. The clutch pedal peak of appointment and disengagement became lower to the point the hydraulics did not office at all.
Ordering and installing a new MOPAR clutch master cylinder/slave assembly resolved the problems.

ShaneMK

  • #3

When you depress the clutch pedal; has at that place been a alter in the pedal position where the clutch engages or disengages ?
You said that you flushed the hydraulic fluid in the clutch principal cylinder; did you run across whatever debris and what colour was the fluid ?
Exercise you hear whatsoever noises from the hydraulic main cylinder?
Inspect the hydraulic master cylinder where the actuator stem comes out to see if there is any signs of seepage.
Several months agone I had a problem with the clutch master cylinder; in that location was ever so slight seepage at the stem seal. When I would depress the clutch pedal there was a scuffing sound and I needed to double clutch when shifting. The clutch pedal height of engagement and disengagement became lower to the indicate the hydraulics did not function at all.
Ordering and installing a new MOPAR clutch master cylinder/slave associates resolved the problems.

No, I oasis't really noticed much of a change in clutch engagement. My old clutch was pretty new but while I was in at that place I only took care of it and so I KNEW information technology was practiced. Then the fluid looked almost new, not burnt nothing. I didn't hear whatsoever foreign noises when depressing the clutch from the inside. I'll effort and have someone press it while I look at the main cylinder. Does my issue sound hydraulic to you? And if so should I supersede the slave and master or only the salve or merely the principal if I can find something wrong.

Nomader

  • #4

If it turns out to exist slave or main Amazon has both as a gear up pre primed. Just put them on and printing clutch to actuate and remove seal for showtime time.

CharlesHS

  • #v

Doubtful it's a hydraulic slave or MC problem with your response.
Accept y'all checked the transmission gear lube level ?
if you already drained and filled the gear lube; what did y'all use as the replacement ?

ShaneMK

  • #six

If it turns out to exist slave or master Amazon has both as a ready pre primed. Just put them on and press clutch to actuate and remove seal for kickoff time.

Okay, aye I've been looking at the options and I recollect a pre bled organisation would exist the best to replace it with if that is the issue.

ShaneMK

  • #7

Doubtful it'due south a hydraulic slave or MC trouble with your response.
Have you checked the transmission gear lube level ?
if you already drained and filled the gear lube; what did you lot use as the replacement ?

I run Royal Purple Max Gear with Synerlec 75w-140. I know it's heavier than what's recommended to run, but as I said with the constant over 100 temps here it has e'er worked well for me and I never had a problem with the lube I use earlier. I replaced it maybe 300-400 miles agone (I don't put a lot of miles on her so that was mayhap a few months ago) but I've run this specific gear oil for many changes and many miles then I highly doubt that information technology has anything to do with the oil.

ShaneMK

  • #eight

Doubtful it's a hydraulic slave or MC problem with your response.
Have you checked the transmission gear lube level ?
if you already drained and filled the gear lube; what did y'all use as the replacement ?

You were correct, cypher to practise with the hydraulic system. I tin can put it into reverse while off and then I did that and started it and backed it out of the driveway. I noticed a slight "knock" a few times when backing up, and then I put it into 1st just to see what that sounded like (sounded fine). I back it out once again (however some knock) I drive information technology effectually the block and every gear only starts knocking TERRIBLY. In my head it's something internal on the tranny, but could it be a part I installed?? (I just don't see whatever of the parts I installed if done incorrectly would do this. If I put something on wrong or backwards I could only imagine it would exist much worse) let me know you're opinion or anyone else's opinion.

oh by the way afterwards driving information technology even with that terrible knock when I depress the clutch I can freely shift between all gears, no problems, non hard at all. Only that TERRIBLE knocking sound.

Knocking sound details: the knock happens in all gears, and information technology'south a HARD knock (shakes the whole trunk pretty much)

ShaneMK

  • #9

You were right, nothing to do with the hydraulic system. I can put information technology into opposite while off so I did that and started information technology and backed it out of the driveway. I noticed a slight "knock" a few times when backing up, so I put it into 1st just to see what that sounded like (sounded fine). I back it out again (still some knock) I bulldoze it around the block and every gear but starts knocking TERRIBLY. In my caput it's something internal on the tranny, simply could information technology be a part I installed?? (I just don't come across any of the parts I installed if done incorrectly would practise this. If I put something on wrong or backwards I could simply imagine it would be much worse) permit me know you're opinion or anyone else'due south opinion.

oh by the fashion after driving it fifty-fifty with that terrible knock when I depress the clutch I can freely shift between all gears, no problems, not difficult at all. Just that TERRIBLE knocking sound.

Knocking sound details: the knock happens in all gears, and it'southward a HARD knock (shakes the whole body pretty much)

Well I can't confirm if tertiary 4th and 5th knock considering I never got up to speed earlier it got bad. Also I put it into 4H and at that place was still the same knock around the same timing, but when I put information technology into 4L I didn't seem to take the problem anymore only I wasn't taking chances and driving it more. If anything I can start information technology again and take a video of the knocking sound, it's only while in gear and moving, clutch can be fully engaged or half way engaged just basically every bit soon as you starting time moving there's a knock. It DOSENT knock when stopped, clutch in or out no knock, only whenever in gear and clutch is engaging.

ShaneMK

  • #10

Well I can't confirm if 3rd 4th and 5th knock because I never got upwardly to speed before information technology got bad. Too I put it into 4H and there was still the same knock effectually the same timing, but when I put information technology into 4L I didn't seem to have the problem anymore simply I wasn't taking chances and driving it more. If anything I tin start it again and take a video of the knocking sound, it's merely while in gear and moving, clutch can be fully engaged or half way engaged just basically as soon every bit you outset moving there's a knock. It DOSENT knock when stopped, clutch in or out no knock, only whenever in gear and clutch is engaging.

I looked at some other forum and I didn't think about it but another guy was testing knocking with the transfer case in neutral and then I did that. 1st gear no noise, 2nd a little noise, 3rd more noise, 4th more, 5th the most, reverse no noise

CharlesHS

  • #11

I looked at some other forum and I didn't think about it merely another guy was testing knocking with the transfer instance in neutral so I did that. 1st gear no noise, 2d a lilliputian noise, 3rd more noise, 4th more, 5th the virtually, contrary no noise

That's an interesting find....
Might want to look at the driveshaft U joints.... since when the TC is in neutral the rear driveshaft is non turning nor is there any torque beingness applied...
Another thing to bank check... what is the color of the TC ATF and are there any sparklies in the ATF ?

ShaneMK

  • #12

That's an interesting observe....
Might want to look at the driveshaft U joints.... since when the TC is in neutral the rear driveshaft is not turning nor is there any torque being applied...
Another thing to cheque... what is the color of the TC ATF and are there any sparklies in the ATF ?

Well if it was I joints at that place wouldn't exist any noise while the TC is in neutral (it makes noise in some gears and some not) I was going to change the TC ATF after everything was back together and I made certain it was fully operational, I take the fluid on my shelf, I may modify it after while simply to see what the fluid that comes out looks like.

ShaneMK

  • #13

Well if it was I joints there wouldn't exist whatsoever racket while the TC is in neutral (it makes racket in some gears and some non) I was going to change the TC ATF afterwards everything was back together and I made sure it was fully operational, I have the fluid on my shelf, I may modify information technology after while just to see what the fluid that comes out looks like.

Well the u joints are good I double checked those. I changed the TC fluid and information technology was black but I didn't encounter any fine metal or chunks or annihilation, and I could run into the chain through the drain hole and it looked tight.

But I volition say i retrieve information technology'due south something with the TC, I've never had any problems before only it does take a 1.5in tranny drop, all the TC shifting components look fine simply I'm going to go through and make sure I have the linkages right just to make sure I'1000 non partially engaging something. I just collection it once again and it does "knock" in 4L every bit well. Im going to have a wait at my FSM to run across what the internals of the NV231 look like considering it virtually feels like a clutch dog engaging and disengaging past itself causing it to accept problems.

I'll permit y'all know if I find anything else out myself. Y'all keep coming in with ideas I'm kinda stumped on this one.

ShaneMK

  • #14

Well the u joints are good I double checked those. I inverse the TC fluid and it was black but I didn't meet any fine metallic or chunks or anything, and I could meet the concatenation through the drain hole and it looked tight.

Simply I will say i think information technology'south something with the TC, I've never had whatsoever problems before but it does have a one.5in tranny drop, all the TC shifting components look fine but I'chiliad going to get through and brand sure I have the linkages right just to make sure I'm not partially engaging something. I just drove information technology again and it does "knock" in 4L as well. Im going to have a look at my FSM to see what the internals of the NV231 expect similar considering it near feels similar a clutch dog engaging and disengaging by itself causing it to have problems.

I'll let y'all know if I find annihilation else out myself. Y'all keep coming in with ideas I'm kinda stumped on this one.

Oh and as well when the TC is in natural and I put it in gear (I used 5th because that is the loudest) I hear a racket (non exactly sure how to describe information technology) and I looked around and put my manus on different parts of the tranny until I could feel the worst vibrations and the sound was the loudest. It felt like information technology was coming from the TC, let me know what y'all recollect

CharlesHS

  • #15

Well if it was I joints there wouldn't exist any noise while the TC is in neutral (it makes dissonance in some gears and some not) I was going to alter the TC ATF later everything was back together and I made sure it was fully operational, I have the fluid on my shelf, I may change it after while just to see what the fluid that comes out looks like.

I was incorrect in what I posted in #eleven; plain I missed part of your mail #ten where the noise nonetheless existed in the upper gears.

ShaneMK

  • #16

I was incorrect in what I posted in #11; manifestly I missed part of your postal service #10 where the racket withal existed in the upper gears.

Ahh you're all skillful, yes the noise exists while in neutral. I just adjusted the TC shifter and it didn't really seem to change much the 1st time I adjusted it. The 2nd time I adjusted it I put pressure on all the components to try and make sure it was all the way in gear and that seemed to brand the noise louder. Any ideas? Does it sound like it could only be a picky adjustment?

ShaneMK

  • #17

Ahh you're all good, aye the noise exists while in neutral. I only adjusted the TC shifter and it didn't really seem to modify much the 1st time I adjusted it. The 2nd time I adjusted information technology I put pressure level on all the components to try and make sure information technology was all the way in gear and that seemed to make the racket louder. Any ideas? Does it sound similar information technology could but exist a picky adjustment?

Oh and I'1000 chasing down this aligning route considering I'yard not sure what else to practise and because when I took the tranny out I had to remove linkages but I didn't purposely change the aligning, just thinking it could take happened mistakenly.

ShaneMK

  • #eighteen

Hey merely wanted to let anyone know who'southward been keeping upward with this, the trouble is in the rear unequal, not sure exactly which part yet but I'm about to accept it apart in a moment.

Gollywomper

  • #19

The rear diff volition non brand the tranny difficult to shift. It may be the source of your racket simply the shifting problem is clutch or transmission. Since you didn't take an event before your clutch replacement I would start there.
Did the tranny go dorsum onto the engine easy? Or did it have to be forced? A clutch with some air in the system could cause some shifting issues likewise.

ShaneMK

  • #20

The rear unequal will not make the tranny hard to shift. It may exist the source of your noise but the shifting problem is clutch or manual. Since you didn't have an issue before your clutch replacement I would offset at that place.
Did the tranny go back onto the engine easy? Or did it have to be forced? A clutch with some air in the organisation could cause some shifting issues likewise.

Hey, yep I fixed all the kinks with the shifting. I just needed to get information technology to move a footling and it freed everything upwards, no more than problems shifting. But for the record the tranny slid right in for instal. Not exactly sure simply I remember there was but some preload on the transmission and it only wasn't liking it. Once i backed information technology up maybe 3 anxiety everything freed upward, but I heard some other racket. Tore apart the diff, chunks everywhere and the lesser of the diff is merely total of fine metal. Carrier bearings are gone the entire carrier just moves dorsum and along.

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